Living in Detroit
In Detroit, the median gross salary is €2,493 a month (2024).
Detroit's population was 638,530 in July 2026. There were 7,168 physicians per 100,000 residents in 2026. The city had 107 schools in 2026. In July 2026, owner occupation was 50.4% and the vacancy rate was 21.7%.
More recorded crime than 98% of American cities that publish it and dirtier air than 81% of American cities that publish it.
Which United States-wide rules apply when you move to Detroit?
National rules stay on the country page instead of being relabelled as city data.
Housing and cost
Median gross rent was US$1,074 per month, while the median home value was US$83,900 in July 2026. 60.7% of renter households spent at least 30% of income on housing in July 2026.
Supplemental estimate lane; these items are not official statistics.
| Metric | Value | Period | Source |
|---|---|---|---|
| Fitness club membership, monthly | 29.6 EUR/month | 31 Jul 2026 | Numbeo - Cost of Living in Detroit (Wayback Machine capture 20260616202013)35Supplemental estimate · Supplemental context |
| Internet, 60 Mbps unlimited | 60.57 EUR/month | 31 Jul 2026 | Numbeo - Cost of Living in Detroit (Wayback Machine capture 20260616202013)35Supplemental estimate · Supplemental context |
| Private kindergarten, monthly | 1,191 EUR/month | 31 Jul 2026 | Numbeo - Cost of Living in Detroit (Wayback Machine capture 20260616202013)35Supplemental estimate · Supplemental context |
| Mobile plan, 10 GB | 52.22 EUR/month | 31 Jul 2026 | Numbeo - Cost of Living in Detroit (Wayback Machine capture 20260616202013)35Supplemental estimate · Supplemental context |
| Monthly transport pass | 57.47 EUR/month | 31 Dec 2025 | Numbeo — Cost of Living in Detroit (Wayback capture 20250119235515)36Supplemental estimate · Supplemental context |
| Basic utilities, 85 m² home | 187.5 EUR/month | 31 Jul 2026 | Numbeo - Cost of Living in Detroit (Wayback Machine capture 20260616202013)35Supplemental estimate · Supplemental context |
| Median gross rent | $1,074/month | 4 Jul 2026 | ACS median gross rent3Official |
| Households spending over 30% of income on rent | 60.66 % | 4 Jul 2026 | ACS median gross rent3Official |
| Housing vacancy rate (legacy series) | 21.67 % | 4 Jul 2026 | ACS median gross rent3Official |
| Property crime per 100,000 residents | 4,303 per 100,000 people | 1 Jul 2026 | FBI CDE/UCR crime statistics12Official |
| Median monthly rent | 944 EUR/month | 31 Dec 2024 | Census Reporter mirror of ACS 2024 5-year tables26Supplemental estimate · Supplemental context |
| Recorded property crimes | 24,930 offenses/year | 31 Dec 2025 | FBI CIUS Table 8 by City 2025 (CDE offenses-known-to-le-2025.zip)13Official |
Is Detroit a good place to live?
There is no universal answer. The profile scores below show who the available published evidence may suit; they are a decision aid, not a personal recommendation.
Worked out from these numbers
How international is the population?
6.5% of residents hold a foreign nationality — 42,320 of 649,095 people. This counts nationality, not place of birth, so long-settled residents who naturalised are not in it.
Work and income
Median household income was US$39,938 a year in July 2026.
Detroit 14.0%
Unemployment rate (%)
| Metric | Value | Period | Source |
|---|---|---|---|
| Median household income | 39,938 USD/year | 4 Jul 2026 | ACS total population4Official |
| Households with cable, fibre or DSL broadband | 64.38 % | 4 Jul 2026 | ACS total population4Official |
| Households with a broadband subscription | 85.66 % | 4 Jul 2026 | ACS total population4Official |
| Households with internet but no subscription | 3.21 % | 4 Jul 2026 | ACS total population4Official |
| Households without internet | 10.95 % | 4 Jul 2026 | ACS total population4Official |
| Households with satellite internet | 6.74 % | 4 Jul 2026 | ACS total population4Official |
| Median gross salary | 2,493 EUR/month | 31 Dec 2024 | ACS 2024 1-year table-based Summary File, table B20002 (Median Earnings in the Past 12 Months (in 2024 inflation-adjusted dollars) by Sex for the Population 16 Years and Over with Earnings), place records2Official |
| Median gross salary (regional) | 3,848 EUR/month | 31 Dec 2025 | www.bls.gov25Official |
| Unemployment rate | 14 % | 31 Dec 2024 | Census Reporter mirror of ACS 2024 5-year tables26Supplemental estimate · Supplemental context |
What does a salary buy in Detroit?
Take-home pay after tax, minus rent and the everyday bills this city publishes. Each line names its source.
RentTransportInternetMobile
Line-by-line breakdown and sources
| Each month | € |
|---|---|
| Take-home payOECD Taxing Wages 2025, single, no children. Includes central and local income tax and employee social contributions; euro amounts at the ECB average for 2026-08. | outside the model's range |
| Rentmedian gross rent, utilities included · US Census Bureau, ACS 2020–2024 5-year (via Census Reporter) | − €944 |
| Public transport pass€57 · market price · Numbeo · 2025-12-31 | − €57 |
| Utilities, 85 m²included in the gross rent above | incl. |
| Internet€61 · market price · Numbeo - Cost of Living in Detroit (Wayback Machine capture 20260616202013) · 2026-07-31 | − €61 |
| Mobile plan€52 · market price · Numbeo - Cost of Living in Detroit (Wayback Machine capture 20260616202013) · 2026-07-31 | − €52 |
| Left overbefore the bills this city does not publish | — |
Public employment service
No exact public employment office is currently linked to Detroit. The verified national service may still offer online registration, job search or an official office finder.
American Job Centers — Public employment service
Country-level service information is not treated as proof of a physical office in Detroit. Sources checked through 10 Aug 2026.
Family and education
| Metric | Value | Period | Source |
|---|---|---|---|
| Residents with high school education or higher | 83.32 % | 4 Jul 2026 | ACS median gross rent3Official |
| Schools | 107 schools | 30 Jun 2026 | NCES CCD public school count16Official |
| School enrolment, share of residents | 24.58 % | 4 Jul 2026 | ACS median gross rent3Official |
| Public language course providers | 5 count | 31 Dec 2026 | Education / Language Access - Office of Immigrant Affairs - City of Detroit9Official |
Healthcare
| Metric | Value | Period | Source |
|---|---|---|---|
| Mental health provider ratio | 159 ratio | 30 Jun 2026 | HRSA mental health provider ratio15Official |
| Primary care doctors per 100,000 residents | 7,168 per 100,000 people | 30 Jun 2026 | HRSA mental health provider ratio15Official |
| Preventable hospitalizations | 4,854 per 100,000 people | 30 Jun 2026 | HRSA mental health provider ratio15Official |
| GP practices | 1,596 count | 13 Sept 2026 | NPPES Data Dissemination V.2 — September 202619Official |
| Hospitals | 10 count | 30 Sept 2026 | CMS Hospital General Information8Official |
| Pharmacies | 347 count | 13 Sept 2026 | NPPES Data Dissemination V.2 — September 202619Official |
| Physicians per 100,000 residents | 654.1 per 100,000 | 13 Sept 2026 | NPPES Data Dissemination V.2 — September 202619Official |
Yes — migrants can receive medical care in Detroit when the national insurance or residence conditions are met.
Healthcare access follows the country-wide insurance rules; local capacity facts remain city data and are not used as proof of eligibility.
Open the official coverage guideSafety
| Metric | Value | Period | Source |
|---|---|---|---|
| Burglaries per 100,000 residents | 708.4 incidents per 100,000 | 31 Dec 2024 | US-FBI-CDE-MI8234900-202423Official |
| Recorded incidents per 100,000 residents | 6,087 offences per 100,000country median 1,586 | 31 Dec 2024 | FBI Crime Data Explorer / Uniform Crime Reporting14Official |
| Violent crime per 100,000 residents | 1,783 incidents per 100,000 | 31 Dec 2024 | US-FBI-CDE-MI8234900-202424Official |
| Recorded violent crimes | 10,590 offenses/year | 31 Dec 2025 | FBI CIUS Table 8 by City 2025 (CDE offenses-known-to-le-2025.zip)13Official |
Mobility and administration
| Metric | Value | Period | Source |
|---|---|---|---|
| Average commute time | 24.78 minutes | 4 Jul 2026 | ACS total population4Official |
| Workers commuting by bicycle | 0.44 % | 4 Jul 2026 | ACS total population4Official |
| Workers commuting by public transport | 4.88 % | 4 Jul 2026 | ACS total population4Official |
| Workers walking to work | 2.83 % | 4 Jul 2026 | ACS total population4Official |
| Nearest airport | DET | 3 Aug 2026 | OurAirports20Official |
| Distance to nearest airport | 9 km | 3 Aug 2026 | OurAirports20Official |
Language courses and integration in Detroit
Education / Language Access - Office of Immigrant Affairs - City of Detroit lists 5 publicly funded course providers in Detroit (checked 2026-09-19). Their individual addresses are not listed here yet; the national programme below explains who can enrol and how.
Adult Education and English Language Acquisition (AEFLA) — State Language Course
U.S. Department of Education
For adult learners, adult English-language learners.
USCIS English and citizenship class finder — Civic Orientation
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services
For immigrants, future citizens.
Climate and air quality
Night-time low to daytime high
mm
Within WHO 2021 guidelineAbove WHO, within EU limitAbove EU legal limitCity annual mean · µg/m³
City values from the published air-quality observations. WHO 2021 guidelines and EU limit values are published constants.
Detroit 8.3
Annual PM2.5 (µg/m³)
| Metric | Value | Period | Source |
|---|---|---|---|
| PM2.5 — annual mean | 8.33 µg/m³country median 7.0 | 31 Dec 2024 | EPA AQS annual PM2.5 monitor data 202411Official |
| Average daytime high by month | Jan 0.56 · Feb 2.17 · Mar 7.67 · Apr 14.94 · May 21.06 · Jun 26.22 · Jul 28.94 · Aug 27.78 · Sep 24 · Oct 16.94 · Nov 9.61 · Dec 2.94 °C | 1991–2020 | NOAA U.S. Climate Normals 1991-202018Official |
| Average night-time low by month | Jan -7 · Feb -6.61 · Mar -2.72 · Apr 2.83 · May 9 · Jun 15.22 · Jul 17.44 · Aug 16.78 · Sep 12.5 · Oct 6.17 · Nov 0.72 · Dec -3.67 °C | 1991–2020 | NOAA U.S. Climate Normals 1991-202018Official |
| Average temperature by month | Jan -3.22 · Feb -2.22 · Mar 2.5 · Apr 8.89 · May 15.06 · Jun 20.72 · Jul 23.22 · Aug 22.28 · Sep 18.22 · Oct 11.56 · Nov 5.17 · Dec -0.33 °C | 1991–2020 | NOAA U.S. Climate Normals 1991-202018Official |
| Average precipitation by month | Jan 52.58 · Feb 52.32 · Mar 63.5 · Apr 82.04 · May 93.73 · Jun 93.22 · Jul 86.11 · Aug 89.15 · Sep 77.22 · Oct 70.1 · Nov 66.55 · Dec 59.69 mm | 1991–2020 | NOAA U.S. Climate Normals 1991-202018Official |
| PM2.5, highest monitored reading | 150.4 µg/m³ | 1 Jul 2026 | EPA AirData PM2.5 annual mean10Official source, approximated value · Supplemental context · county |
| PM2.5, annual mean | 10.57 µg/m³ | 1 Jul 2026 | EPA AirData PM2.5 annual mean10Official source, approximated value · Supplemental context · county |
| PM2.5 monitoring sites | 24 monitors | 1 Jul 2026 | EPA AirData PM2.5 annual mean10Official source, approximated value · Supplemental context · county |
| Annual precipitation | 801.6 mm | 30 Jun 2026 | NOAA GHCN-Daily climate normals17Official source, approximated value · Supplemental context · station observation |
| Maximum July temperature | 23.7 °C | 30 Jun 2026 | NOAA GHCN-Daily climate normals17Official source, approximated value · Supplemental context · station observation |
| Average annual temperature | 11.88 °C | 30 Jun 2026 | NOAA GHCN-Daily climate normals17Official source, approximated value · Supplemental context · station observation |
| Minimum January temperature | 1.56 °C | 30 Jun 2026 | NOAA GHCN-Daily climate normals17Official source, approximated value · Supplemental context · station observation |
Population and city profile
By nationality
National passport93.5%
Calculated from the population and foreign-resident facts on this page.
| Metric | Value | Period | Source |
|---|---|---|---|
| Foreign-resident share | 6.63 % | 31 Dec 2020 | ACS 2020-2024 5-year table-based Summary File, table B05002 (Place of Birth by Nativity and Citizenship Status), place records1Official |
| Foreign residents | 42,320 people | 31 Dec 2020 | ACS 2020-2024 5-year table-based Summary File, table B05002 (Place of Birth by Nativity and Citizenship Status), place records1Official |
| Transit service area population | 4,252,469 people | 4 Jul 2026 | ACS total population4Official |
| Population density | 1,806 people/km² | 31 Dec 2025 | Census Reporter / U.S. Census Bureau7Official |
| Population | 649,095 people | 31 Dec 2025 | U.S. Census Bureau, Population Estimates Program22Official |
| Population covered by crime statistics | 642,155 people | 31 Dec 2025 | FBI CIUS Table 8 by City 2025 (CDE offenses-known-to-le-2025.zip)13Official |
Additional context
| Metric | Value | Period | Source |
|---|---|---|---|
| Median home value | 83,900 USD | 4 Jul 2026 | ACS median gross rent3Official |
| Owner-occupied homes | 50.35 % | 4 Jul 2026 | ACS median gross rent3Official |
| Labour force participation rate | 54.14 % | 4 Jul 2026 | ACS total population4Official |
| Residents born abroad | 6.63 % | 4 Jul 2026 | ACS total population4Official |
| Naturalized citizens, share of residents | 2.96 % | 4 Jul 2026 | ACS total population4Official |
| Non-citizens, share of residents | 3.67 % | 4 Jul 2026 | ACS total population4Official |
| Flu vaccination coverage | 62.92 % | 30 Jun 2026 | CDC BRFSS flu vaccination coverage5Official |
| Mammography screening coverage | 77.8 % | 30 Jun 2026 | CDC mammography screening rate6Official |
| Residents without health insurance | 7.42 % | 4 Jul 2026 | ACS median gross rent3Official |
| Residents with a bachelor's degree or higher | 18.07 % | 4 Jul 2026 | ACS median gross rent3Official |
| Crime reporting agencies | 1 agencies | 1 Jul 2026 | FBI CDE/UCR crime statistics12Official |
| Households with a vehicle available | 79.89 % | 4 Jul 2026 | ACS median gross rent3Official |
| Public transport agencies in the National Transit Database | 6 agencies | 4 Jul 2026 | ACS total population4Official |
| Transit passenger trips, 2022 | 13,955,582 trips | 4 Jul 2026 | ACS total population4Official |
| Transit vehicles in peak service, 2022 | 483 vehicles | 4 Jul 2026 | ACS total population4Official |
| Workers aged 16 and over | 223,334 workers | 4 Jul 2026 | ACS total population4Official |
| Workers mainly working from home | 12.02 % | 4 Jul 2026 | ACS total population4Official |
| Households using cellular data plans | 78.88 % | 4 Jul 2026 | ACS total population4Official |
Alternatives for people set on Detroit
Three places for the three reasons people leave a city on the shortlist: stay in the region, stay in the country, or keep the budget and change the country. A percentage appears only where both cities publish that metric from the same source, period and grain. Distances are straight lines — travel times are not collected yet.
Sterling Heights as a Detroit alternative in the same region
28 km away, better on 5 of 7 metrics measured the same way, worse on 1.
- Foreign residents: 28.0% Sterling Heights vs 6.6% Detroit+322%
- Recorded crime, per 100k: 1,272 Sterling Heights vs 6,087 Detroit−79%
- Median gross pay, city: €3,553 Sterling Heights vs €2,493 Detroit+43%
- Unemployment: 6.1% Sterling Heights vs 14.0% Detroit−57%
- Residents: 133,931 Sterling Heights vs 649,095 Detroit−79%
- Nearest airport: 16.0 km Sterling Heights vs 9.0 km Detroit+78%
- Annual PM2.5: 7.2 µg/m³ Sterling Heights vs 8.3 µg/m³ Detroit−13%
Boston as a Detroit alternative in the same country
A move, not a commute, at 985 km, better on 6 of 6 metrics measured the same way, worse on 0. Recorded crime, per 100k cannot be compared like for like.
- Foreign residents: 27.8% Boston vs 6.6% Detroit+320%
- Median gross pay, city: €4,518 Boston vs €2,493 Detroit+81%
- Unemployment: 6.1% Boston vs 14.0% Detroit−56%
- Median gross pay, region: €4,923 Boston vs €3,848 Detroit+28%
- Nearest airport: 3.0 km Boston vs 9.0 km Detroit−67%
- Annual PM2.5: 6.1 µg/m³ Boston vs 8.3 µg/m³ Detroit−27%
- Recorded crime, per 100k: 2,650 Boston vs 6,087 Detroitno percentage
Vilnius as a Detroit alternative in another country
Better on 1 of 2 metrics measured the same way, worse on 1. Recorded crime, per 100k and foreign residents cannot be compared like for like.
- Recorded crime, per 100k: 1,929 (2025) Vilnius vs 6,087 (2024) Detroitno percentage
- Nearest airport: 6.0 km Vilnius vs 9.0 km Detroit−33%
- Foreign residents: 8.0% (2024) Vilnius vs 6.6% (2020) Detroitno percentage
- Basic utilities, 85 m²: €199 Vilnius vs €188 Detroit+6%
Cities near Detroit
Published cities within 25 km, nearest first. Distances are straight-line.
- Salary
- 4,466 EUR/monthMedian gross salary · 2020-12-31
Alternative cities in United States
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Detroit in rankings
Common questions
Answered from the published values on this page, each with its source and date.
What is the typical salary around Detroit?
The median gross salary is 3,848 EUR/month. Source: www.bls.gov.
What is the unemployment rate in Detroit?
The unemployment rate is 14 %. This is a supplemental estimate, not an official municipal measurement. Source: Census Reporter mirror of ACS 2024 5-year tables.
Is the air quality good in Detroit?
The annual PM2.5 mean is 8.33 µg/m³. The WHO 2021 guideline is 5 µg/m³ and the EU limit value is 25 µg/m³, so this reading is above the WHO guideline but within the EU limit. Source: EPA AQS annual PM2.5 monitor data 2024.
How safe is Detroit?
Police recorded 6,087 offences per 100,000. This counts all offences, so it is not comparable with a violent-crime-only rate from another source. Source: FBI Crime Data Explorer / Uniform Crime Reporting.
How many people live in Detroit?
The published population is 649,095 people. Source: U.S. Census Bureau, Population Estimates Program.
How many foreign residents live in Detroit?
42,320 residents hold a foreign nationality. Source: ACS 2020-2024 5-year table-based Summary File, table B05002 (Place of Birth by Nativity and Citizenship Status), place records.
Is Detroit a good place to live?
Detroit may suit different people for different reasons. The page's profile scores compare published cost, work, housing, safety, healthcare and other available factors; they are a decision aid, not a universal recommendation.
Which cities are near Detroit?
Hamtramck, Highland Park, River Rouge, Grosse Pointe Park, Melvindale are near Detroit. Typed relationship labels are shown where published; other rows use straight-line distance from admitted coordinates.
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- ACS median gross rent api.censusreporter.org · checked 2026-07-04
- ACS total population api.censusreporter.org · checked 2026-07-04
- CDC BRFSS flu vaccination coverage data.cdc.gov · checked 2026-06-30
- CDC mammography screening rate data.cdc.gov · checked 2026-06-30
- Census Reporter / U.S. Census Bureau api.censusreporter.org · checked 2026-08-03
- CMS Hospital General Information data.cms.gov · checked 2026-09-15
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- EPA AirData PM2.5 annual mean aqs.epa.gov · checked 2026-07-01
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- EPA AQS annual PM2.5 monitor data 2024 aqs.epa.gov · checked 2026-07-26
- FBI CDE/UCR crime statistics cde.ucr.cjis.gov · checked 2026-07-01
- FBI CIUS Table 8 by City 2025 (CDE offenses-known-to-le-2025.zip) cde.ucr.cjis.gov · checked 2026-09-05
- FBI Crime Data Explorer / Uniform Crime Reporting cde.ucr.cjis.gov · checked 2026-08-04
- HRSA mental health provider ratio data.hrsa.gov · checked 2026-06-30
- NCES CCD public school count nces.ed.gov · checked 2026-06-30
- NOAA GHCN-Daily climate normals ncei.noaa.gov · checked 2026-06-30
- NOAA U.S. Climate Normals 1991-2020 ncei.noaa.gov · checked 2026-07-26
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- US-FBI-CDE-MI8234900-2024 cde.ucr.cjis.gov · checked 2026-09-15
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